Autocross Committee meeting Thursday March 1st 8pm

[heavy85]

Any new track within 6-7 hours. Seriously. I was really looking forward to Gingerman when it was discussed for 2012 and REALLY disappointed it didnt make it. I've never run there but it's a new track which means a new adventure. Grattan, Gingerman, Putnam, Road America, etc. Even two at Autobahn South would be better than another one at Blackhawk.

Flying laps - how do you make that work and get clear timed laps? NASA TT has a license program where you are on track with experienced and 'licensed' racers with open passing. Last year I experienced more than one scary passing moment with novices even with our limited passing rules. I'm definitely interested in the concept but can't imagine how to make it work so would like to understand the details. Line-up by lap times?

Timed laps before lunch with no more than two practices would be awesome!

In reference to the free entries for the timing crew. I'm going to guess there will be much resistance to this because everyone is volunteer and nobody gets free / reduced entry. I'm not saying it cant be just warning you to carefully think about how to pitch this so as to minimize the negative responses.

Cameron

[Green Light Go]

Originally Posted by AX12BW

Where do people want to go? I saw that you asked the question and got no responses. I'd love to see you guys come to my neck of the woods (Brainard). I think everyone would love running at Road America (not sure why MC will only run W2W there up to now). What tracks would people want to run?

Bill Woodson

Brainerd would be very easy to set up. CWSCC will be hosting an event with Modern Automotive Performance on June 23rd and 24th. Time Attack style.

Road America - the track is too big to do a typical autocross on. With the RFID timing it would be possible, but still difficult. Plus that track is uber expensive to rent.

[Green Light Go]

Originally Posted by heavy85

I'm not saying it cant be just warning you to carefully think about how to pitch this so as to minimize the negative response

Any ideas? Please e-mail me at stockisbetter@yahoo.com

[nopistons909]

I really like what Andy is saying! And also the positive ideas and feedback in this topic is great!

Being someone a bit "green" to getting into the HighSpeedTimeAcross, or whatever it will be called, More is definatly better! More track time is ALWAYS a plus, specially if it will be more efficient and make the event run smoother.

Also i like the idea of the flying laps much better then from a dead stop AutoX style start. If i'm going to be giving it my 120% all for one lap id much rather have had 1 or 2 warm up laps so, like Andy said, the track is fresh in my head and my tires are up to proper temps. Sounds to me like it would make for a much safer envioronment, expecially if someone, like myself is new to that specific track.

[bisp]

The timing and scoring stuff is all a positive, and I hope some stuff works.

I am not a fan of flying laps however. Move the timing equipment further out to turn one, wherever that may be, and do it from there. A couple warm up laps and then a cool down lap sound like practice to me. You would have way too many cars on track, and at some point the slower class cars are never going to get a clean lap. A novice will be doing nothing but letting traffic bye, correct?

I don't have a problem with workers getting free entry, but that's something Council needs to start doing for all workers. I believe NASA lets workers accrue time towards free entry. That's something Council NEEDS to do as well.

[Dizmm]

Originally Posted by bisp

The timing and scoring stuff is all a positive, and I hope some stuff works.

I am not a fan of flying laps however. Move the timing equipment further out to turn one, wherever that may be, and do it from there. A couple warm up laps and then a cool down lap sound like practice to me. You would have way too many cars on track, and at some point the slower class cars are never going to get a clean lap. A novice will be doing nothing but letting traffic bye, correct?

Obviously you will have traffic every once in a while, but with double or even triple the amount of track time you would have many more chances for a clean lap.

Run groups would be sent out based on lap time. We could keep it at 7 cars/run group for 10 minute sessions. If a car is running too slow or too fast for his/her run group, it will be seen from timing/scoring and we can then move that person up or down a run group to minimize traffic.

[MBC Racing]

1. i'm really excitted about the starting timed runs at 10 am! Thats awsome.
2. Flying timed runs:
a. No new track records should be allowed until we determine if this is the way it will stay
b. I like that this will remove the AWD advantage on the launch. I can never hook my car out of the hole.
c. Like Cameron said, I am not sure how we will be able to manage people not being held up and safe passing. This may detur some people who are out there with their street cars and are concerned about passing. Plus, for those of us with out the high HP for passing, but that can really work the back half of the track. I don't see people lifting on the front straight if they are on a killer timed run.
3. Yes, new tracks please!!! We are midwestern council, not blackhawk farms council
a. As for MM, I liked it there. It was challenging. If people are concerned about run off, they need to dial their speed back. Often times, it is not a question of running out of track, but running out of "skill" ... or so I have been told. You have to find the 10/10ths in a safe area so when you hit 11/10ths and go off, you are safe.

[MBC Racing]

Originally Posted by Dizmm

Obviously you will have traffic every once in a while, but with double or even triple the amount of track time you would have many more chances for a clean lap.

Run groups would be sent out based on lap time. We could keep it at 7 cars/run group for 10 minute sessions. If a car is running too slow or too fast for his/her run group, it will be seen from timing/scoring and we can then move that person up or down a run group to minimize traffic.

this goes against the uniqueness of our venue. In the past when I was concerned about my A6's being able to handle the heat for 10 min sessions at full bore, I was told to hold back on a couple runs. Well, how do you manage clean timed runs when my holding back will be 3-4 seconds slower than a balls out run. I would potentially be holding someone back then and being held back if moved to a slower group.

I say we go with larger practice groups for longer periods of time and then timed runs starting at 10 am. That will allow me to push it on some laps and take it easier on others during the practice sessions and still be able to go balls out for the one lap timed runs. We would effectively be getting the same amount or more of laps for practice since less time would be spent gridding cars and more timed runs.

[Dizmm]

Originally Posted by MBC Racing

c. Like Cameron said, I am not sure how we will be able to manage people not being held up and safe passing. This may detur some people who are out there with their street cars and are concerned about passing. Plus, for those of us with out the high HP for passing, but that can really work the back half of the track. I don't see people lifting on the front straight if they are on a killer timed run.

Passing only on the 2 straights. Corner workers will need to use the flags more to tell drivers when they need to let the car behind them pass.

Originally Posted by MBC Racing

a. As for MM, I liked it there. It was challenging. If people are concerned about run off, they need to dial their speed back. Often times, it is not a question of running out of track, but running out of "skill" ... or so I have been told. You have to find the 10/10ths in a safe area so when you hit 11/10ths and go off, you are safe.

I know what you are saying, but if I can’t push my skills to the limit, why even bother. that’s why i go to the track. And when I mean no run-off, I mean not even a rumble strip. Its edge of track, then dirt/grass for 10 feet then wall.

If you gave me a choice, MCSCC's event at MM, or NASA's event at Autobahn (or any other track), it wouldn’t even be a tough decision.

[bisp]

I hadn't thought about doing run groups based on lap times. That would work. If people are smart(big assumption, I know), the pecking order and passing issues should be sorted out by the beginning of the second warm up lap.

I would really like to see this work.